Comments on: “Palestine Offers Peace or Armed Resistance – Yasser Arafat” 11.17.06 http://globalspartan.edublogs.org/2006/11/17/palestine-offers-peace-or-armed-resistance-yasser-arafat-111706/ The world is a big place... Tue, 23 Oct 2007 05:09:20 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.2 hourly 1 By: globalspartan http://globalspartan.edublogs.org/2006/11/17/palestine-offers-peace-or-armed-resistance-yasser-arafat-111706/comment-page-1/#comment-425 globalspartan Tue, 21 Nov 2006 15:50:25 +0000 http://globalspartan.edublogs.org/2006/11/17/palestine-offers-peace-or-armed-resistance-yasser-arafat-111706/#comment-425 Arafat claims the decision of his people to build a new world is finally fortified. Arafat claims the right, of Palestine, to self determination. Arafat says that the European idea of colonialism in the Middle East, and below into Africa, come from as far back as the final years of the nineteenth century and that this was when the Zionist imperialist plan was born; gunning for the conquest of Palestine. Arafat draws congruencies between Palestine’s fight for territory and Self Determination, and the fight the British colonies in America went through in efforts to gain independence from the oppressive colonial government. He claims that “European Jews were transformed into the instruments of aggression” on behalf of European imperialism and of the Zionist leadership. Arafat mentions the League of Nations as a colonialist ally to the Zionist movement. He says that “The General Assembly partitioned what it had no right to divide.” I agree that if a World council were to assign land to anyone that they cannot just move people around like pieces on a game board. A question to ask is whether or not people are willing to coincide on one land peacefully, or will too many conflicts arise. Similarly, the U.S. government can no longer house troops in a private home with out the home owners consent; properties cannot be intruded upon without permission. -jb Arafat claims the decision of his people to build a new world is finally fortified. Arafat claims the right, of Palestine, to self determination. Arafat says that the European idea of colonialism in the Middle East, and below into Africa, come from as far back as the final years of the nineteenth century and that this was when the Zionist imperialist plan was born; gunning for the conquest of Palestine. Arafat draws congruencies between Palestine’s fight for territory and Self Determination, and the fight the British colonies in America went through in efforts to gain independence from the oppressive colonial government. He claims that “European Jews were transformed into the instruments of aggression” on behalf of European imperialism and of the Zionist leadership.
Arafat mentions the League of Nations as a colonialist ally to the Zionist movement. He says that “The General Assembly partitioned what it had no right to divide.” I agree that if a World council were to assign land to anyone that they cannot just move people around like pieces on a game board. A question to ask is whether or not people are willing to coincide on one land peacefully, or will too many conflicts arise. Similarly, the U.S. government can no longer house troops in a private home with out the home owners consent; properties cannot be intruded upon without permission.

-jb

]]> By: globalspartan http://globalspartan.edublogs.org/2006/11/17/palestine-offers-peace-or-armed-resistance-yasser-arafat-111706/comment-page-1/#comment-424 globalspartan Tue, 21 Nov 2006 14:43:34 +0000 http://globalspartan.edublogs.org/2006/11/17/palestine-offers-peace-or-armed-resistance-yasser-arafat-111706/#comment-424 1. Arafat wants peace, however is other statements and actions contradict this notion. He said that the palestinians will continue fighting the Isralies until they flee the land or until they're all dead, which ever comes first. This doesn't sound very peaceful to me. Emotionally, I think this guy is insane. How a self-rightous tyrannical (expletive deleted) came to rule a country and brainwash an entire society is beyond me. It should have never been allowed and now Palestine is in serious need of guidance. Excuse me for the tangent. To answer the question I think both sides want peace (the Israelies more so than the Palestinians), however I think it is unlikely to happen in the near future. 2. Emotions aside, I can see where both sides are coming from. It is a war over land, as many wars have been fought before. It becomes more complex however once you delve into the history of Israel. If I'm not mistaken the Jews were their first, so I think they have the right to be there. -Mike H 1. Arafat wants peace, however is other statements and actions contradict this notion. He said that the palestinians will continue fighting the Isralies until they flee the land or until they’re all dead, which ever comes first. This doesn’t sound very peaceful to me. Emotionally, I think this guy is insane. How a self-rightous tyrannical (expletive deleted) came to rule a country and brainwash an entire society is beyond me. It should have never been allowed and now Palestine is in serious need of guidance. Excuse me for the tangent. To answer the question I think both sides want peace (the Israelies more so than the Palestinians), however I think it is unlikely to happen in the near future.

2. Emotions aside, I can see where both sides are coming from. It is a war over land, as many wars have been fought before. It becomes more complex however once you delve into the history of Israel. If I’m not mistaken the Jews were their first, so I think they have the right to be there.

-Mike H

]]> By: globalspartan http://globalspartan.edublogs.org/2006/11/17/palestine-offers-peace-or-armed-resistance-yasser-arafat-111706/comment-page-1/#comment-423 globalspartan Tue, 21 Nov 2006 05:06:15 +0000 http://globalspartan.edublogs.org/2006/11/17/palestine-offers-peace-or-armed-resistance-yasser-arafat-111706/#comment-423 1. Arafat seems to be saying that peace is something that needs to come about between the Palestinians and Israelis but this is also something that is impossible because the two sides can not come to terms on anything. “Arafat does not envision a Palestinian state alongside an Israeli state but one that replaces it” (Arafat 40). This goes to show Arafat wants what he knows will not happen. I disagree with this because i feel peace can be found, but Arafat has to big an ego to compromise. 2. -Palestine and its people inhabited this land before they were forced out by the UN. Israel may be able to trace its religion back to this land but Palestine was there. -The Jews invaded Pakistan in 1881 and that situation has never been taken care of. If things like that can not be delt with how are the two expected to live side by side? -The Jewish people are not trying to see things from a Palenstian point of view. -Dylan L. 1. Arafat seems to be saying that peace is something that needs to come about between the Palestinians and Israelis but this is also something that is impossible because the two sides can not come to terms on anything. “Arafat does not envision a Palestinian state alongside an Israeli state but one that replaces it” (Arafat 40). This goes to show Arafat wants what he knows will not happen. I disagree with this because i feel peace can be found, but Arafat has to big an ego to compromise.

2. -Palestine and its people inhabited this land before they were forced out by the UN. Israel may be able to trace its religion back to this land but Palestine was there.
-The Jews invaded Pakistan in 1881 and that situation has never been taken care of. If things like that can not be delt with how are the two expected to live side by side?
-The Jewish people are not trying to see things from a Palenstian point of view.

-Dylan L.

]]> By: globalspartan http://globalspartan.edublogs.org/2006/11/17/palestine-offers-peace-or-armed-resistance-yasser-arafat-111706/comment-page-1/#comment-422 globalspartan Tue, 21 Nov 2006 03:41:32 +0000 http://globalspartan.edublogs.org/2006/11/17/palestine-offers-peace-or-armed-resistance-yasser-arafat-111706/#comment-422 1. Arafat on an emotional level is saying that the Palestinians are the rightful owners of the land and not the Jews. They were kicked out of their homes and want them back. He will stand by their sides to gain their homes that were once theirs. I do think it is horrible that Palestinians were kicked out of their homes, and I agree with him on that sense. I also would support another way to have gained Israel instead of kicking the Palestinians out. However I disagree with him because the land was the Jews first, and finding peace to live side by side may never happen, but the fighting needs to stop before efforts towards living side by side are placed in action. 2. b) – “Our world aspires to peace, justice, equality and freedom. It hopes that oppressed nations, at present bent under the weight of imperialism, may gain their freedom and their right to self-determination…” -“ Just as colonialism used religion, color, race and language to justify the people’s exploitation and its cruel subjugation by terror and discrimination, so too were these methods employed as Palestine was usurped and its people hounded from their national homeland.” -“We offer them the most generous solution-that we should live together in a framework of just peace in our democratic Palestine.” ~Carly S.~ P.S- I was absent so it's not late :-) P.P.S- this was a workout 1. Arafat on an emotional level is saying that the Palestinians are the rightful owners of the land and not the Jews. They were kicked out of their homes and want them back. He will stand by their sides to gain their homes that were once theirs. I do think it is horrible that Palestinians were kicked out of their homes, and I agree with him on that sense. I also would support another way to have gained Israel instead of kicking the Palestinians out. However I disagree with him because the land was the Jews first, and finding peace to live side by side may never happen, but the fighting needs to stop before efforts towards living side by side are placed in action.
2. b) – “Our world aspires to peace, justice, equality and freedom. It hopes that oppressed nations, at present bent under the weight of imperialism, may gain their freedom and their right to self-determination…”
-“ Just as colonialism used religion, color, race and language to justify the people’s exploitation and its cruel subjugation by terror and discrimination, so too were these methods employed as Palestine was usurped and its people hounded from their national homeland.”
-“We offer them the most generous solution-that we should live together in a framework of just peace in our democratic Palestine.”

~Carly S.~

P.S- I was absent so it’s not late :-)
P.P.S- this was a workout

]]> By: globalspartan http://globalspartan.edublogs.org/2006/11/17/palestine-offers-peace-or-armed-resistance-yasser-arafat-111706/comment-page-1/#comment-421 globalspartan Mon, 20 Nov 2006 15:40:11 +0000 http://globalspartan.edublogs.org/2006/11/17/palestine-offers-peace-or-armed-resistance-yasser-arafat-111706/#comment-421 1.) Arafat is saying how he believes that there should be peace because Israel and Palestine but he thinks its not possible. I think that if the two countries were to sit down with eachother and talk about every possible solution then maybe some change could occur but I do believe that peace wont settle until a few more years. 2.) I agree with Arafat. "The only solution for the jewish problem is that jews must alienate themselves from communitites or nation" (Arafat 44). I agree with this quotes because this shows how the two countries dont want to have a resolution. *Christina Newsome...Im not sure if I did the second one right but I tried my best...:) 1.) Arafat is saying how he believes that there should be peace because Israel and Palestine but he thinks its not possible. I think that if the two countries were to sit down with eachother and talk about every possible solution then maybe some change could occur but I do believe that peace wont settle until a few more years.

2.) I agree with Arafat. “The only solution for the jewish problem is that jews must alienate themselves from communitites or nation” (Arafat 44). I agree with this quotes because this shows how the two countries dont want to have a resolution.

*Christina Newsome…Im not sure if I did the second one right but I tried my best…:)

]]> By: globalspartan http://globalspartan.edublogs.org/2006/11/17/palestine-offers-peace-or-armed-resistance-yasser-arafat-111706/comment-page-1/#comment-420 globalspartan Mon, 20 Nov 2006 14:06:53 +0000 http://globalspartan.edublogs.org/2006/11/17/palestine-offers-peace-or-armed-resistance-yasser-arafat-111706/#comment-420 1) Arafat is saying that Israelis are not the victimized people in this situation, the Palestinians are. They were viciously uprooted from their homes through acts of terror and unjust government decisions. All they have been trying to do since is reclaim their homeland. They are insulted by the lack of political understanding for their cause, and by the assumption that they had no real ties to their homeland, that it had just been desert before foreigners came. He does not want the liquidation of Jews, just the return of homeland. He and his people are willing to work for a peaceful coexistence in the country of Palestine. Emotionally, I agree with him. It’s appalling that an entire group of people should be uprooted and taken from their homeland and then be called a threat for not just accepting it. An entire population was turned into refugees. Now an entirely new population is occupying their homes, offices, farms and cities. 2A) The facts that undermine Arafat’s argument are largely issues of hypocrisy. Many acts that he accuses Israel of, Palestine is also guilty of. For example: A- He claims that Palestinians “will [not] permit their homeland to become a launching pad for aggression or a racist camp for the destruction of civilization, culture, progress, and peace” (Arafat 46). Yet from their homeland, the smaller Palestine, and into their ancient homeland they are sending martyrs and violence. Palestinians are just as guilty of attempting to destroy the Israeli’s peace, progress, and culture. B- He accuses the Israeli’s of committing acts of terror when the Palestinians sent into Israel fighters and explosives. Yet, all the Israelis are doing is protecting their homeland. Trying to push foreign fighters from your country is not terrorism, it’s self-defense. And again, Palestinians are committing acts of terror against the Israelis, so they are just as guilty of this crime. C- Finally, he admits that Palestine has lost “thousands of martyrs”(Arafat 47) yet later encourages the Jewish people to resist their “leadership’s efforts to instill in them a Masada complex [to die rather than surrender] and make it their destiny”(Arafat 49). Palestinians would rather die in the fight to maintain their land rather than surrender. These are two contradictory statements. I rest my case. -Kara B. 1) Arafat is saying that Israelis are not the victimized people in this situation, the Palestinians are. They were viciously uprooted from their homes through acts of terror and unjust government decisions. All they have been trying to do since is reclaim their homeland. They are insulted by the lack of political understanding for their cause, and by the assumption that they had no real ties to their homeland, that it had just been desert before foreigners came. He does not want the liquidation of Jews, just the return of homeland. He and his people are willing to work for a peaceful coexistence in the country of Palestine. Emotionally, I agree with him. It’s appalling that an entire group of people should be uprooted and taken from their homeland and then be called a threat for not just accepting it. An entire population was turned into refugees. Now an entirely new population is occupying their homes, offices, farms and cities.
2A) The facts that undermine Arafat’s argument are largely issues of hypocrisy. Many acts that he accuses Israel of, Palestine is also guilty of. For example:
A- He claims that Palestinians “will [not] permit their homeland to become a launching pad for aggression or a racist camp for the destruction of civilization, culture, progress, and peace” (Arafat 46). Yet from their homeland, the smaller Palestine, and into their ancient homeland they are sending martyrs and violence. Palestinians are just as guilty of attempting to destroy the Israeli’s peace, progress, and culture.
B- He accuses the Israeli’s of committing acts of terror when the Palestinians sent into Israel fighters and explosives. Yet, all the Israelis are doing is protecting their homeland. Trying to push foreign fighters from your country is not terrorism, it’s self-defense. And again, Palestinians are committing acts of terror against the Israelis, so they are just as guilty of this crime.
C- Finally, he admits that Palestine has lost “thousands of martyrs”(Arafat 47) yet later encourages the Jewish people to resist their “leadership’s efforts to instill in them a Masada complex [to die rather than surrender] and make it their destiny”(Arafat 49). Palestinians would rather die in the fight to maintain their land rather than surrender. These are two contradictory statements. I rest my case.

-Kara B.

]]> By: globalspartan http://globalspartan.edublogs.org/2006/11/17/palestine-offers-peace-or-armed-resistance-yasser-arafat-111706/comment-page-1/#comment-419 globalspartan Mon, 20 Nov 2006 12:22:35 +0000 http://globalspartan.edublogs.org/2006/11/17/palestine-offers-peace-or-armed-resistance-yasser-arafat-111706/#comment-419 Arafat is saying that he feels the two countries can not make peace because; Israel and Palestine are right next to each other. And I do not think that this will be resolved any time soon sue to their locations and there arguments. That Jews can live in Palestine in peace without any discrimination. I do agree with him. I think he realizes that having a Palestinian state with an Israeli state could never work, even though it would be good to make them as one. Arafat hopes for Jews to live in peace, without discrimination. A main problem is that Israel is not willing to give something up for peace. For instance their land, they believe that they are long-term owners, because of the people and cultures that live on it. Shawna Arafat is saying that he feels the two countries can not make peace because; Israel and Palestine are right next to each other. And I do not think that this will be resolved any time soon sue to their locations and there arguments.
That Jews can live in Palestine in peace without any discrimination. I do agree with him. I think he realizes that having a Palestinian state with an Israeli state could never work, even though it would be good to make them as one. Arafat hopes for Jews to live in peace, without discrimination.
A main problem is that Israel is not willing to give something up for peace. For instance their land, they believe that they are long-term owners, because of the people and cultures that live on it.
Shawna

]]> By: globalspartan http://globalspartan.edublogs.org/2006/11/17/palestine-offers-peace-or-armed-resistance-yasser-arafat-111706/comment-page-1/#comment-418 globalspartan Mon, 20 Nov 2006 11:36:04 +0000 http://globalspartan.edublogs.org/2006/11/17/palestine-offers-peace-or-armed-resistance-yasser-arafat-111706/#comment-418 1. What Arafat is trying to say is that, although peace between Isreal and Palestine sounds good, he does not believe it is possible because the two countries are side by side. I believe that the situation between these two countries will not be resolved for a long time just because of all the disagreements they have and because of their locations. 2. One thing that makes me believe it is not going to be resolves is the situation where Isreal thinks that they are the long-term owners of the land just because of the people and cultures that live on it. If they can't give that one thing up how are they going to optain peace. Also looking at the quotes the Jamie used, ” the only solution for the Jewish problem is that Jews must alienate themselves from communities or nation” (Arafat 44) it shows that they are not willing to come as one with the Jews. Their hatred for them is very strong and i do not see it ending anytime soon lastly is just the all around situation. The Isreali's believe that they have control over the Palestinians. They are always disagreeing and causing riots and wars, and they are always trying to take away their land and rights. Alex S (pwsh, that was a hard one.) 1. What Arafat is trying to say is that, although peace between Isreal and Palestine sounds good, he does not believe it is possible because the two countries are side by side. I believe that the situation between these two countries will not be resolved for a long time just because of all the disagreements they have and because of their locations.

2. One thing that makes me believe it is not going to be resolves is the situation where Isreal thinks that they are the long-term owners of the land just because of the people and cultures that live on it. If they can’t give that one thing up how are they going to optain peace.
Also looking at the quotes the Jamie used, ” the only solution for the Jewish problem is that Jews must alienate themselves from communities or nation” (Arafat 44) it shows that they are not willing to come as one with the Jews. Their hatred for them is very strong and i do not see it ending anytime soon
lastly is just the all around situation. The Isreali’s believe that they have control over the Palestinians. They are always disagreeing and causing riots and wars, and they are always trying to take away their land and rights.

Alex S
(pwsh, that was a hard one.)

]]> By: globalspartan http://globalspartan.edublogs.org/2006/11/17/palestine-offers-peace-or-armed-resistance-yasser-arafat-111706/comment-page-1/#comment-417 globalspartan Mon, 20 Nov 2006 02:48:17 +0000 http://globalspartan.edublogs.org/2006/11/17/palestine-offers-peace-or-armed-resistance-yasser-arafat-111706/#comment-417 Jamie W ^ Jamie W ^

]]> By: globalspartan http://globalspartan.edublogs.org/2006/11/17/palestine-offers-peace-or-armed-resistance-yasser-arafat-111706/comment-page-1/#comment-416 globalspartan Mon, 20 Nov 2006 02:47:48 +0000 http://globalspartan.edublogs.org/2006/11/17/palestine-offers-peace-or-armed-resistance-yasser-arafat-111706/#comment-416 1. I think Arafat is saying how there needs to be peace but will be hard when two sides cant seem to agree on anything. He says that he "does not envision a Palestinian state alongside an Israeli state, but one that replaces it" (Arafat 40). 2.I agree with Arafat that it will be hard to have peace with Israeli and Palestinians. Palestinian people believes that " the only solution for the Jewish problem is that Jews must alienate themselves from communities or nation" (Arafat 44) means that Palestinians are not trying to incorporate Jews into their communities or lives. "we believe that any question now exercising the world's concern must be viewed radically, in the true sense of that word, if a real solution is ever to be grasped" is saying that they dont think a solution or peace will ever be reached. 1. I think Arafat is saying how there needs to be peace but will be hard when two sides cant seem to agree on anything. He says that he “does not envision a Palestinian state alongside an Israeli state, but one that replaces it” (Arafat 40).
2.I agree with Arafat that it will be hard to have peace with Israeli and Palestinians. Palestinian people believes that ” the only solution for the Jewish problem is that Jews must alienate themselves from communities or nation” (Arafat 44) means that Palestinians are not trying to incorporate Jews into their communities or lives. “we believe that any question now exercising the world’s concern must be viewed radically, in the true sense of that word, if a real solution is ever to be grasped” is saying that they dont think a solution or peace will ever be reached.

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